atasteforideas ([info]atasteforideas) wrote,

Rhetorical questions and ASL

BEG has an excellent book that I still have to buy; I'm going to order it this weekend from a local bookstore, the ASL Phrasebook. I paged through it when we went to that Silent Weekend a while back (the one where we almost got snowed in *ARGH*).

That book went over one of the most common devices in ASL: rhetorical questions. And it's occurring to me how thoroughly the concept of rhetorical questions are soaked into the language, and that I'm going to have to get used to that to move forward. A lot of the concepts that are puzzling me as to how to get them across in ASL can be addressed by this device. Interestingly, a lot of nonspatial prepositions are very nicely put using this device.

"I stayed home from school because it was raining."

SCHOOL I NOT GO WHY? RAIN.

"I had a burger for lunch."

MY LUNCH WHAT? BURGER.

There are also ways in which the verb "to be" is communicated, one way in an equative fashion by setting up two things in space and then doing the "same as" hand between them, and the other by saying one thing WHAT? the other.

I'm still getting used to it, and it takes a bit of a mental shift to deal with it, but it's really a very nice way to get those sorts of things across. I'm also looking forward to learning the language enough to determine when one or the other is appropriate, like when you use the active/auxiliary and equative forms of "to be" in Welsh, or "ser" and "estar" in Spanish.

I'm also curious about other spoken languages that do this rhetorical-question thing -- if there are others and how they implement it. There must be.

I really need to order that book. I know that it said, "ASL uses rhetoricals a lot," but what I thought it meant was, "ASL uses rhetoricals a lot." What it really meant was, "ZOMG YOU CANNOT TALK FOR MORE THAN FIVE SECONDS IN ASL WITHOUT A RHETORICAL YOU MUST LEARN THEM OR DIE!"

So, like I said ... bit of a mental shift, there. Far from the mild "ASL uses rhetoricals," it's more like, "You will be up to your nose hairs in rhetoricals if you learn ASL. Rhetoricals! Scads of them, as far as the eye can see! They go for miles!"

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Anonymous

June 16 2007, 01:06:23 UTC 4 years ago

book

I teach ASL at the community college and use Master ASL textbok. It teaches how to use rhetoricals for students to clearly understand why ASL uses it. I recommend it.

Anonymous

June 16 2007, 06:48:21 UTC 4 years ago

Ken Rose

I don't think Deaf people are constantly waxing rhetorically. It may have more to do with the TOPIC COMMENT structure of Signed languages.

ASL likes to keep its sentences short and sweet. English can have sentences that can blather on and on forever with conjunctions like "and," "which" and "that." The TOPIC can be easily lost when you construct such complicated sentences as: "I bought a car yesterday with the money I won in the lottery that I won two weeks ago." What's the TOPIC? Me, the car, the money, the lottery???

Yeah, I agree that what we say are "Rhetorical questions" in ASL are really more PREPOSITIONS. Really illustrated by FOR-FOR being both a preposition and a rhetorical question. Prepositions are really CASE MARKERS.

Finnish has 15 cases. Using "rhetorical questions" ASL has the potential of INFINITE cases. It's not just "WHO?" "WHAT?" "WHERE?" "WHY?" but also "COLOR?" "TIME?" "REASON?". As in "I bought a car yesterday. It was blue." = YESTERDAY CAR I BUY. COLOR? BLUE.

Rhetorical questions are kind of like a DOUBLE TOPIC. In the above sentence, COLOR becomes the new topic for the second sentence, yet refers to the ORIGINAL topic CAR.

[info]atasteforideas

June 16 2007, 17:14:58 UTC 4 years ago

Re: Ken Rose

I don't think Deaf people are constantly waxing rhetorically. It may have more to do with the TOPIC COMMENT structure of Signed languages.

Um, this is sort of what I was saying.
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